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    Had to make a second posting but didn't want to add it to the first, because I know myself, I can't read that much in one go......

    This regards a point that was brought up about digital art not being considered at valid art as well. Now all of us here sit and think that's absurd, because well, that's what we do here every day. But sadly enough, it's true still out in the world. I am currently working on getting some of my Artraged works into local galleries. About half of them turned me away when I told them it was digital. Didn't even want to take a look. Canvas was all they knew about. Others that I managed to show the works to, they liked it, said they would see, but that they don't deal with digital works either. Even the exhibitions that I have been sending my works to. They all want me to do 'traditional' paintings. I can, but I find myself limited by my mediums, supplies, and outlet stores. Here in the digital world. It's only the software programmer's and mine own imagination that limits my creations.........
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    I haven't reread what has been said. So I may be a little redundant. But based on your comment, I think this hasn't entirely been covered.

    Interesting Dial-a-Cliche about the galleries not wanting digital.

    I think the resistance to digital is largely because you were dealing with Art sellers. And they cannot control the numbers of copies of digital art and one reproduces just as well as the next. And great art can be done without a lot of personal expertise. The machine can do a lot of it. Besides that, forgeries and unauthorized copies, too easy.

    And anybody who posts something on the internet can sell it, with no price control among the various sellers which gets into ethics regarding people selling your work. If the artist is selling their work directly to the buyer and they are undercutting the galleries because the galleries take such a huge cut, then the galleries are doing nothing but promoting the artist for free. They aren't in work for free business.

    While many artists do giclees (for those who don't know: prints on stretched canvas), many do the original in traditional media.

    But I doubt that any artist interested in presenting their work in an optimal way would not use the computer to some degree. I would bet dollars to donuts that many giclee paintings have been diddled one way or another on the computer -- whether for color balance or fixing an edge of a stroke or even removing a weed from a field of flowers.

    Anyway, it's the same argument I heard when I was starting out long before the PC, that illustrators were not welcome to submit their art work. We, as illustrators, tried to figure that one out since the skills of many illustrators was formidable and we loved art. Came to the conclusion it was all about exclusivity and ownership and containing saturation of the artist in the world. Doesn't have a thing to do with Art. All business. And how elitist one's clientèle believes what you're selling is. If they're elitist, or the people with money who buy art are, then they set a tone consistent with that to appeal to those investing in art.

    I found that when trying to sort through much in the art world that didn't make sense, just swap your artist's beret for a business man's hat and it all makes perfect sense.

    And as we know there came a point in which those realistic artists (illustrators) did well -- in the Southwest Art movement, selling to a bunch of oil men and beef growers who suddenly brought tons of cash to the table, along with there very earthy tastes.

    Heck, look at Thomas Kinkaide. He was trained as an illustrator and a guy who started painting backgrounds for animation (if my info is accurate). And he just created his own market and got rich as all get out. If you start selling and have numbers, any of these snobby gallery owners will be tumbling over each other to get to sell your art.

    I am not a fan at all off Kinkaide as an artist aesthetically, though he doesn't offend me. But he paints like an animation background painter. And he found what people wanted to buy and gave it to them -- in huge quantities. And to add to it, he would crib a few notes from Scripture onto his paintings to seal the deal.

    In another field, long ago in my youth there used to be an unwritten rule that Doctors and Lawyers wouldn't advertise because it was crass. Well, we know how that went too. If money is being generated, the world will cow tow. The bottom line is the bottom line.

    Sort of the Professional's version of the "What is Art" argument.

    Then it's just a matter of where one draws the line for their own work. What is right for them individually. And one goes for it. Pros, amateurs, hobbyists, everybody's got their own reasons for doing what they do. And hopefully it's working for them.

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    Great responses. Fun to bring this up again and read new takes on the subject. The last image added was a photo with digital enhancements to look like a painting. Found on Deviant Art. I thought it was of the quality of a Bouguereau painting. It was fun reading opinions on the subject again.

    Ps... anarkissed, sorry for the confusion the first image is by artist Jeffery T. Larson.

    http://www.jeffreytlarson.com/image....t=Still%20Life
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    Thanks gzairborne...this has all been very interesting to read. It reminds me of an old joke on how to complement a christmas tree...If it's artificial you say "Wow it looks so real!", and if it's real you say "Wow it's so nice it doesn't even look real!"...lol! Thanks again!
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    My two cents worth if I may...

    For me one of the goals of achieving "photorealism" through art in whatever form, is to have something unbelievable appear believable.

    Sometimes, for whatever reason, you would not beable to merely take a photograph of the subject even if you wanted to, and therefore be left to (re-)create the image through other means.

    Just a few thoughts on this...

    Yvan.

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    "sculptor Ron Mueck" - wow, but..., wow!

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    My 5 cents worth

    Hi all,
    This is an excellent q. As a profesional photographer, I paint with a camera to achieve an artisticly created realistic painting type image on many occassions. There is of course a huge difference in actually painting a scene vs photo-painting.

    Here is one of my top digital photo-painted images. I am told by many people that it is a real painting photographed and could not be an original photo....so wrong. Light is everything when painting with a camera, day or night.

    Realism is an art as is some photography as is creativeness.

    Well that my 5 cents. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by gzairborne View Post
    Comments welcome expressing your opinion on whether realism is a valid form of art worthy of the artist's pursuit in the age of instant photography, or would a photo give you just as much as the finished piece. I am of the opinion that it is still a worthy pursuit and enjoy the fine realists at work out there. Maybe share a few of the fine realists work out there.
    yes with a honest spirit all art can be valid. somewhere in-between realism and abstraction is a good path, i feel.
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    an art is an art

    For me, yes, it's an art.

    But for what point? That is another question.

    I've seen a lot of realism drawings that I really respect, what saddened me is that most of these images draws the mundane things.

    I've seen some of the images like the original posting, but more realistic. But it just a pic of bottles and apples and aluminium foils.

    I really wish for realism images of what we yet not see.

    This question is often ask in 3d industry too. shoud 3d character real like final fantasy / polar express / mars need mom or cartoonish like how to train your dragon / the incredibles / rat-tat-toulle?

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